Donny Pauling and I have been having a conversation about the role abortion ought to play in deciding how to vote in November. See his original post, then my first reply.
I’m posting Donny’s response to my open letter to him first. My second contribution to the discussion follows.
Dean,
I would challenge you to think outside the party lines and consider whether or not it is life, or American life, that you value most… because if you are concerned with ALL of human life how can you justify the civilian deaths our country has wreaked on so many other countries (not just Iraq), normally under Republican orders? ALL HUMAN LIFE is sacred. I’m sure you’ll reply that you already know and agree with this, but has it truly sunk in how many lives we’ve ended in our pursuit of oil alone? If you consider JUST that, how can you vote Republican in good conscience if you’ve sort[ed] through these issues in a way that is faithful to Christ? If voting for a Democrat who is of the wrong opinion on the abortion issue is so repugnant, so too MUST be voting for a Republican who is pro-war. There are many countries in this world that are ruled by horrible men, whose people would be better off without them in power, but do we run to the aid of each of them? We do not, so using that excuse to kill thousands upon thousands of Iraqi civilians does not hold water. And only the most ignorant of us will believe that Iraq has anything to do with a “war on terror”.
One more thing I’d like to bring up about the topic of abortion is this: where is the long term thinking? Don’t you think God, who is outside the bounds of space and time and therefore not looking for short term results, would like His people to work on the ROOT CAUSE of the problem, rather than simply bandaging the wounds?
If we worked on root causes, abortion wouldn’t be such an issue. We need to work on hearts. We need to educate kids about WHY they should avoid sexual activity that leads to pregnancy (and not just “because the Bible says so” either). We need to foster an atmosphere where expectant mothers have options that feel “real” and not just lip-service.
Have you adopted a child, for example? Has every able bodied person in your church adopted a child? Lord knows, many of those who are of the mindset to even CONSIDER abortion are likely not capable parent material. How many of them would consider an option like the one I’m about to describe…
A church not far from the town in which I live has a big billboard they rent on a monthly basis that says “Please don’t abort your child. We’ll adopt it!” How many abortions would be prevented in this country if every single church in America ran the same campaign? If we REALLY BELIEVE abortion to be the most important issue our churches face, why do we NOT spend a huge percentage of the church budget on programs that will reduce it? The laws aren’t changing anytime soon, so why don’t we pay more than lip service?
As much as I hate abortion, I have to say that it is NOT the most important issue at hand. Changing hearts is the most important issue at hand! Legislation will NEVER change hearts, ever! The ROOT CAUSE of abortion is “heart failure”. The treatment is the pure, non-judgmental love of Jesus Christ, embodied without agenda by those who follow him… NOT another Republican appointed Supreme Court Justice. 78% (7 out of 9) of our current Supreme Court Justices were Republican appointed. Obviously a Republican majority on the Supreme Court isn’t going to make abortion go away, so why do we vote as if it will?
LOVE wins. LAWS do not.
Donny,
Thanks for your reply.
I am surprised you ask me to “think outside party lines.” Where, in my previous comment, do you see some ringing endorsement of the Republican Party?
Nowhere. Instead, you should see that I am not a party loyalist. I am a person concerned to do what is best for unborn children. If the Democrats had nominated a pro-life candidate, then there would be a real contest. As things stand, there simply isn’t.
Your contention that the death of innocents in war is somehow the moral equivalent of abortion is off base and the rest of your first paragraph is confusing.
You assert that our country has taken thousands of innocent lives in war, usually under Republican leadership. Do you mean like in Hiroshima and Nagasaki as we did under Democrat Harry Truman? In Vietnam under Democrats Kennedy and Johnson? On the fields of France in WWI under Democrat Woodrow Wilson?
Next, you try to poison the well against anyone who disagrees with you. You assert “only the most ignorant of us will believe that Iraq has anything to do with a ‘war on terror.’” Such statements usually only serve as attempts to shut down discussion by labeling your opponents “ignorant” before they have even presented their case. It’s unfair and a logical fallacy to boot.
You ask why we don’t go into every country ruled by a bad man. This is a fair question and gets to the point of our discussion. The reason we don’t invade every country with a bad ruler is because no one in leadership is actually “pro-war” as you characterize them. War instead is seen as a last resort, and if we are able to affect change and ease the suffering of people around the world without war, why shouldn’t we?
You may have seen that North Korea recently has begun dismantling some of its nuclear arms program and has made overtures of being willing to change. This was accomplished without war. Surely you don’t think that because we invaded Iraq that obligates us to have invaded N. Korea as well. War is not our blanket policy. These decisions have to be made on a case by case basis.
This bears on our discussion of abortion in this way. While mostly everyone sees war as a sometimes necessary evil in this fallen world, Obama does not see abortion as a necessary evil, but as a positive good. Everyone can imagine a just society without war. Obama’s claim is that there can be no just society without abortion. He believes that any limitation on abortion is an injustice, a violation of women’s rights.
Therefore, a vote for a Republican candidate will be a vote for someone who believes that war is awful but sometimes necessary. It will be a vote for someone who believes that, even in war, civilians, especially children, ought to be protected as much as possible from suffering and death. It also will be a vote for someone who believes the same concern ought to be extended to children in the womb.
A vote for a Democrat will be a vote for someone who believes in limiting civilian casualties in war, but also will be a vote for someone who believes children in the womb are fair game, someone who wants to deny them even the flimsiest legal protections.
You say we ought to work on the root causes of abortion. I completely agree. You say legislation will never change hearts. That is also true, but in no way indicates we ought not to continue pursuing such legislation.
If “HEART FAILURE” is the root cause of abortion, it also is the root cause of every other kind of murder. Laws against murder do nothing to keep people from getting angry, do nothing to prevent people from wanting to kill. Does that mean we shouldn’t have laws against it?
The purpose of laws against murder isn’t to change people’s hearts but to dissuade those who can be dissuaded by threat of punishment and to show the population that the power of the state stands ready to avenge potential murder victims. I believe the unborn deserve this same legal consideration.
I never said legislation and politics were, by themselves, the keys to ending abortion. I said ending abortion has a legal and political component. Law and politics are arenas where our efforts are required. In recent years, Christians may have over-emphasized these areas, but that doesn’t mean we can abandon them.
As for other means of combating abortion, you ask if I have adopted a child. Whenever I interact with people who hold your views, they ask this question. It seems as if they (maybe you) think that the truth or falsity of my claims rests on what I have or haven’t done.
I usually refuse to answer this question, but for you I will. The answer is not yet. My wife and I will begin the adoption process sometime in the next two to three years. Does that make my arguments true?
Babies don’t get aborted because there aren’t enough people willing to adopt them. There are many, many, many people on adoption waiting lists who desperately want those children.
I agree with you that as Christians we aren’t doing nearly enough about this issue. You suggest spending huge amounts of our church budgets to stop abortion. I say, “Sounds great.” Let’s do it.
Donny, you and I aren’t really that far apart on this. We both hate abortion. Thank you for initiating this discussion. I hope it proves fruitful for bridging the differences that do exist in our understandings of how to handle this painful issue.